Does your KRISS reliably extract live rounds?

Solscud007 wrote:ok first of all, let's clarify some vocabulary.

Solscud007 wrote:
I had a talk to a gun guru buddy of mine. He thinks due to the design of the Super V system, the short stroke and redirection of the bolt does not allow for ejecting live rds. However glocks and HK UMPs can do it just fine.

okent wrote:
Update on my Kriss.

Had problems with extracting and unfired round and failure to feed.
Sent it back to the factory and was told they fixed the feeding issue but the gun was not designed to extract an unfired round without removing the magazine. It will occasionally extract the unfired round but not reliably.

I kid you not.

Spoke with the chief engineer and gunsmith.
When I asked why every other modern firearm does this and theirs doesn't the response was that it is a revolutionary design and then a long pause....
When pressed the gunsmith said that they have spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of man hours trying to remedy this issue but the gun is what it is.

I actually like the way the gun looks and shoots but to me this a liability if the gun was ever to be used for home defense or even for competition shooting

okent wrote:
"If you are looking at the bolt face the extractor is in the 10/11 o'clock position and has no lip on the opposite side to keep the rim from slipping off the bolt face.
So the bolt has nothing to push the case up against except the next round in the mag, which means it is essentially unsupported and subject to all possible mag and ammo variables.

So when you load a mag and cycle the action the best I can get is somewhere around 60% extraction rate EXCEPT the last round which flips out 100%.

The review issue is easy: nobody who writes in gun mags says that a gun is a dog whether it is or not. They would quickly be out of a job.

Yes, TDI does know this is an issue and I was told on a conference call by their chief engineer and master gunsmith(Charlie Martz) that the cost of a redesign is too costly and will NOT be done. Charlie is a good guy but has to work with what he's got.

When firing the gun extraction is very good but if you drop the hammer on a dud then it becomes a club so you have to transition to a secondary or do the mag dance. No immediate action drill.

I would wager that no law enforcement or government agency is using this weapon.

Solscud007 wrote:I had a talk to a gun guru buddy of mine. He thinks due to the design of the Super V system, the short stroke and redirection of the bolt does not allow for ejecting live rds. However glocks and HK UMPs can do it just fine.