My new carry gun

AR15 pistol with Mega upper and spikes lower

haha nice. How long is the upper? 10.5?

7.5"

Damn. Dont use that for self defense. The muzzle flash and noise will screw you up real bad at night. haha

its to loud for that

CatMostFeared wrote:its to loud for that

Short can it?



http://www.advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=866

Not trying to call you out, but doesn't a forward grip on a pistol make it an AOW?

But I dont think the AFG counts as a "grip"

What, no AR10 pistol?

Nice looking upper. How do you get to the barrel nut?

Solscud007 wrote:But I don't think the AFG counts as a "grip"

I'm not a lawyer, but it looks like the BATFE may be most interested in the notion of shooting a "pistol" with one hand vs. two. While the Magpul product is an Angled Fore Grip, and not technically "vertical", as a grip it is designed to provide the capability of shooting the pistol (in this case) with two hands. This is an older position, but something to start with:

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/041006-openletter-nfa-adding-vertical-fore-grip.html

I do note the part about "...not include a pistol or revolver having a rifled bore"... but then you may be into the SBR territory.

I know certain states dont allow "shrouds" on barrels so you can grab it with your left hand. However where does the line draw between handguard and shroud? Looking at the AR pistol, the handguard rail system seems to be all part of the upper.

This is borderline gray area and I suppose if someone wanted to be a dick about it they could.

Solscud007 wrote:I know certain states dont allow "shrouds" on barrels so you can grab it with your left hand. However where does the line draw between handguard and shroud? Looking at the AR pistol, the handguard rail system seems to be all part of the upper.

This is borderline gray area and I suppose if someone wanted to be a dick about it they could.

State laws, as you know, are a whole other level of fun on their own. We're just chatting about Federal stuff at the moment... and the consequences for getting it wrong are severe.

Two more links, just for the heck of it:

BATFE FAQ on the topic:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#vertical-fore-grip

"The Firing Line" forum with a thread on the topic:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347420

... and a quote from the internet: "It doesn't have to make sense, it's the ATF's rules."

Looks like you are in luck! Turns out somebody asked the BATFE specifically about the Magpul AFG... and it is not considered a forward vertical pistol grip. (Good call on that by Solscud007 too!)

nice!

franklin armory xo-26 pistol w vertical grip 26 inch aol

That cool and if the SHTF you could always add a stock. But I know thats never crossed your mind cause it would be against the law Right.

well now that my stamp is back its a SBR