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Post by CatMostFeared Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:11 pm

AR15 pistol with Mega upper and spikes lower
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Post by Solscud007 Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:11 pm

haha nice. How long is the upper? 10.5?

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Post by CatMostFeared Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:16 pm

7.5"
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Post by Solscud007 Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:21 pm

Damn. Dont use that for self defense. The muzzle flash and noise will screw you up real bad at night. haha

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Post by CatMostFeared Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:34 pm

its to loud for that Twisted Evil
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Post by mambro Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:02 pm

CatMostFeared wrote:its to loud for that Twisted Evil
Short can it?

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Post by GlocksInMySocks Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:37 am

Not trying to call you out, but doesn't a forward grip on a pistol make it an AOW?

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Post by Solscud007 Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:06 am

But I dont think the AFG counts as a "grip"

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Post by 124C41 Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:12 am

What, no AR10 pistol? geek

Nice looking upper. How do you get to the barrel nut? scratch

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Post by mambro Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:20 pm

Solscud007 wrote:But I don't think the AFG counts as a "grip"
I'm not a lawyer, but it looks like the BATFE may be most interested in the notion of shooting a "pistol" with one hand vs. two. While the Magpul product is an Angled Fore Grip, and not technically "vertical", as a grip it is designed to provide the capability of shooting the pistol (in this case) with two hands. This is an older position, but something to start with:

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/041006-openletter-nfa-adding-vertical-fore-grip.html

I do note the part about "...not include a pistol or revolver having a rifled bore"... but then you may be into the SBR territory.

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Post by Solscud007 Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:25 pm

I know certain states dont allow "shrouds" on barrels so you can grab it with your left hand. However where does the line draw between handguard and shroud? Looking at the AR pistol, the handguard rail system seems to be all part of the upper.

This is borderline gray area and I suppose if someone wanted to be a dick about it they could.

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Post by mambro Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:03 pm

Solscud007 wrote:I know certain states dont allow "shrouds" on barrels so you can grab it with your left hand. However where does the line draw between handguard and shroud? Looking at the AR pistol, the handguard rail system seems to be all part of the upper.

This is borderline gray area and I suppose if someone wanted to be a dick about it they could.

State laws, as you know, are a whole other level of fun on their own. We're just chatting about Federal stuff at the moment... and the consequences for getting it wrong are severe.

Two more links, just for the heck of it:

BATFE FAQ on the topic:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#vertical-fore-grip

"The Firing Line" forum with a thread on the topic:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347420

... and a quote from the internet: "It doesn't have to make sense, it's the ATF's rules."

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Post by mambro Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:37 pm

Looks like you are in luck! Turns out somebody asked the BATFE specifically about the Magpul AFG... and it is not considered a forward vertical pistol grip. (Good call on that by Solscud007 too!)

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Post by GlocksInMySocks Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:25 pm

nice!

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Post by cuda3x2 Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:45 am

franklin armory xo-26 pistol w vertical grip 26 inch aol

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Post by Canman Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:20 am

That cool and if the SHTF you could always add a stock. But I know thats never crossed your mind cause it would be against the law Right. Very Happy

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Post by CatMostFeared Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:57 pm

well now that my stamp is back its a SBR partytime
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